1 00:00:12,410 --> 00:00:10,850 from what I can tell every artist has 2 00:00:15,490 --> 00:00:12,420 kind of like a mystery inside of them 3 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:18,310 yeah and now it's different 4 00:00:23,630 --> 00:00:21,480 welcome back to the LH Shopping Network 5 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:23,640 it's a very common thing among musicians 6 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:33,549 encounter 7 00:00:33,559 --> 00:00:37,970 thank you 8 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:44,510 [Music] 9 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:47,209 Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena 10 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:50,039 UFOs and ideas that challenge reality 11 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:53,100 itself all these Mysteries all this time 12 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:54,719 are we ever going to get to the bottom 13 00:00:59,869 --> 00:00:57,300 of these my name is George Knapp I dig 14 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:59,879 into news stories that others can't or 15 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:02,100 won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some 16 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:03,780 reason people tell me things they 17 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:05,760 probably shouldn't 18 00:01:14,860 --> 00:01:08,220 and this is weapon weapons 19 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:19,110 [Music] 20 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:23,950 foreign 21 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:39,000 [Music] 22 00:01:53,569 --> 00:01:51,950 this is weaponized you know one of the 23 00:01:55,789 --> 00:01:53,579 reasons Jeremy and I launched this 24 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:55,799 podcast a long time ago was a chance to 25 00:02:00,310 --> 00:01:57,960 interact with creative people artists 26 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:00,320 people we admired and want to learn from 27 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:04,920 Movie Makers singers songwriters artists 28 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:07,680 of all kind and this date on our 29 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,479 production schedule has been circled in 30 00:02:13,010 --> 00:02:11,459 red for a long time because we're really 31 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:13,020 looking forward to meeting our guests 32 00:02:16,309 --> 00:02:15,060 today Ben Schneider of Lord Huron man 33 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:16,319 it's great to have you here thanks for 34 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:17,760 having me good to be here 35 00:02:21,949 --> 00:02:20,040 um yeah and just friends man being able 36 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:21,959 to sit down with people that have 37 00:02:26,210 --> 00:02:24,239 influenced well you with George you know 38 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:26,220 with your music and that's kind of why 39 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:27,599 we're doing this is having these 40 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:29,520 abilities to just talk with people who 41 00:02:33,229 --> 00:02:31,260 want to learn more about you know I know 42 00:02:34,729 --> 00:02:33,239 I've been playing your music on on Coast 43 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:34,739 to Coast since 44 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:37,080 2012 but I know I feel like I owe you a 45 00:02:40,610 --> 00:02:38,060 cut 46 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:40,620 I've appointed myself as your publicist 47 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:42,840 right I can remember driving through the 48 00:02:45,770 --> 00:02:45,000 desert late at night on an i-team road 49 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:45,780 trip 50 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:49,560 uh Stars full sky full of stars and 51 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:51,480 hearing this song come on 52 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:53,519 and it was like nothing I had heard 53 00:03:03,710 --> 00:02:55,590 before 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,850 thank you 55 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:12,170 [Music] 56 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:14,509 and it was ends of the Earth it was just 57 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:16,200 perfect to be out at night looking at 58 00:03:20,509 --> 00:03:18,300 the stars and that it just didn't sound 59 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:20,519 like anything else that was on radio 60 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:22,620 there was a little country twang to it 61 00:03:26,089 --> 00:03:24,239 and I was trying to figure out how do 62 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:26,099 you categorize this it's not exactly a 63 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:27,659 rock song 64 00:03:31,850 --> 00:03:29,519 um I know people try to put a label on 65 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:31,860 you for a long time but they don't know 66 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:34,140 where to fit you in do they yeah I guess 67 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:35,459 that's been to our advantage in a lot of 68 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:37,920 ways I mean we just kind of I don't know 69 00:03:42,170 --> 00:03:39,599 tend to follow whatever we're interested 70 00:03:43,009 --> 00:03:42,180 at any given time and uh it's taking us 71 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:43,019 to some 72 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:45,120 different places and I guess nobody can 73 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:47,340 quite pigeon all that which well I've 74 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:49,920 been playing your songs on Coast as 75 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:51,840 bumper songs because they fit you know 76 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:53,760 the kind of topics that you covered the 77 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:55,920 vibe it works for a lot of the subject 78 00:04:00,910 --> 00:03:57,599 matter that we cover weird stuff 79 00:04:03,530 --> 00:04:00,920 Supernatural paranormal space cosmology 80 00:04:05,990 --> 00:04:03,540 and and those are themes that you 81 00:04:07,070 --> 00:04:06,000 include in your music so it's always fit 82 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:07,080 and 83 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:10,439 couple of years I've been playing every 84 00:04:16,370 --> 00:04:13,280 episode every episode that I host 85 00:04:17,689 --> 00:04:16,380 and people keep track of it okay now 86 00:04:20,030 --> 00:04:17,699 it's an official George show because 87 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:20,040 they got that Lord Huron on there 88 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:21,600 that's really cool I appreciate that 89 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:23,940 yeah I kind of wanted to know I mean so 90 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:26,520 I'm a little bit musically challenged I 91 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:28,139 don't follow as much but when George 92 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:31,320 gets excited about a musical you know 93 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:33,180 anything a song or whatever I remember 94 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:34,860 when you told me that like you heard it 95 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:37,139 driving through the desert 96 00:04:40,370 --> 00:04:39,120 um what was it about because you listen 97 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:40,380 you've taught me about the Beatles 98 00:04:44,570 --> 00:04:42,240 you've taught me about all these artists 99 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:44,580 but what was it that hit you about Ben's 100 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:47,940 music it sounds big it sounds Lush the 101 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:50,520 production is so many different levels 102 00:04:53,629 --> 00:04:52,020 and again the fact that you can't 103 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:53,639 categorize it it doesn't sound like 104 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:55,440 anything else on on the radio or 105 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:57,660 anywhere you know well maybe it gets at 106 00:05:00,469 --> 00:04:58,860 some of the stuff you're interested in 107 00:05:02,409 --> 00:05:00,479 which you know crosses over with a lot 108 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:02,419 of stuff I'm interested in which is just 109 00:05:07,790 --> 00:05:05,639 mystery in general I think and um 110 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:07,800 yeah I've always been fascinated at kind 111 00:05:11,090 --> 00:05:09,240 of staring at Mysteries and thinking 112 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:11,100 about them and living in them and uh 113 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:13,680 just like you guys I guess we're going 114 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:15,540 to dive into some of that I remember in 115 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:18,900 I think it's 2021 I get an email from a 116 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:21,840 publicist who says hey I work with this 117 00:05:25,610 --> 00:05:24,240 group called Lord Huron and um we got 118 00:05:27,469 --> 00:05:25,620 this really interesting project coming 119 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:27,479 out would you think you'd be interested 120 00:05:31,129 --> 00:05:29,400 in in interviewing them I'm going who's 121 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:31,139 pulling my leg here what what kind of 122 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:32,880 joke is this I play these guys all the 123 00:05:36,529 --> 00:05:35,759 time is this a prank of some sort and 124 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:36,539 then 125 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:38,460 um I said yeah I'd be interested and 126 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:40,680 then they unveiled this Amazing Project 127 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:42,900 where what really interests me about 128 00:05:46,850 --> 00:05:44,580 what you've done with all your albums is 129 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:46,860 you create these alternate realities as 130 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:50,160 parallel worlds as a framework for the 131 00:05:55,249 --> 00:05:52,440 album that particular project and this 132 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:55,259 one that one for long lost oh my gosh 133 00:05:58,490 --> 00:05:57,120 you created a whole world and a series 134 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:58,500 of artists and 135 00:06:02,450 --> 00:06:00,360 yeah we tend to do a lot of background 136 00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:02,460 work on on all our albums with 137 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:05,400 storytelling and you know it's there for 138 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:06,960 people to discover if they want to but 139 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:09,960 it's not necessary to to dive into it if 140 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:11,039 you're if you're just there for the 141 00:06:14,270 --> 00:06:12,360 music that's cool too you know we take 142 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:14,280 all comers but 143 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,600 I think 144 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:17,039 taking the time to do all that 145 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:18,960 background work and fleshing out the 146 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:20,400 stories of the people the characters 147 00:06:24,110 --> 00:06:22,620 that exist in the songs and where 148 00:06:27,050 --> 00:06:24,120 they're from and what their names are 149 00:06:29,809 --> 00:06:27,060 even uh even if it's not explicit in the 150 00:06:31,249 --> 00:06:29,819 in the outward facing product I think 151 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:31,259 you can you can sense that there's 152 00:06:34,430 --> 00:06:32,819 something something more to it something 153 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,440 behind it we're interested in the 154 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:36,720 creative process for for making these 155 00:06:39,230 --> 00:06:38,220 alternate worlds for each of those 156 00:06:41,629 --> 00:06:39,240 albums 157 00:06:44,809 --> 00:06:41,639 um like the one is it strange Trails 158 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:44,819 where you create this Western writer oh 159 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:47,039 yeah that was for Lonesome dreams so 160 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:48,960 they create this Western writer who's 161 00:06:52,909 --> 00:06:51,300 sort of somewhere between James Fenimore 162 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:52,919 Cooper and Zane gray or something yeah 163 00:06:58,129 --> 00:06:55,860 it's frontier's one it's Cowboys yeah 164 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:58,139 um you make him up and then you make up 165 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:00,240 all kinds of scenarios but it's like 166 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:01,860 you're making a film it's like you have 167 00:07:04,969 --> 00:07:03,240 a film in your mind 168 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:04,979 yeah sometimes it does start from a 169 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:07,199 visual Place actually and that that 170 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:08,940 album in particular was written a lot on 171 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:10,080 the road when we were doing our first 172 00:07:13,129 --> 00:07:11,580 tours through the through the Southwest 173 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:13,139 so you know we're going through those 174 00:07:18,529 --> 00:07:15,300 beautiful landscapes and I was reading a 175 00:07:20,689 --> 00:07:18,539 lot of western novels and stuff and uh 176 00:07:22,189 --> 00:07:20,699 yeah it's just I don't know I started 177 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:22,199 thinking about 178 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:23,880 the types of stories that they're that 179 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:26,039 are told in those novels and it's kind 180 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:27,960 of you know like Human Experience laid 181 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:28,800 bear 182 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:30,840 and um I thought that was a cool place 183 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:33,300 to start from as uh for writing songs 184 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:36,060 you've heard that stuff I have yeah I 185 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:38,520 mean the you obviously you have 186 00:07:42,290 --> 00:07:40,560 something that that you want to say but 187 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:42,300 I I found it really interesting is your 188 00:07:45,589 --> 00:07:43,800 your journey towards where you are now 189 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:45,599 it's almost like it could have come out 190 00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:48,539 in a hundred ways you started off uh 191 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:50,819 studying painting and as an artist right 192 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:52,440 so as an artist there's different ways 193 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:53,759 things can come out of you whatever it 194 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:55,800 is yeah you're trying to say or explore 195 00:07:59,570 --> 00:07:58,080 you know this is something that that has 196 00:08:01,370 --> 00:07:59,580 been a good vehicle for you but you 197 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:01,380 didn't start there from what I heard 198 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:03,060 from you so I'd love to hear about that 199 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:05,039 like as an artist what was it like so 200 00:08:08,809 --> 00:08:06,539 you were you were doing some painting 201 00:08:10,309 --> 00:08:08,819 was one of the things you studied I 202 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:10,319 think I mean 203 00:08:15,409 --> 00:08:13,199 my creative life began when I was very 204 00:08:16,909 --> 00:08:15,419 young and I think 205 00:08:18,529 --> 00:08:16,919 from what I can tell every artist has 206 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:18,539 kind of like a mystery inside of them 207 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:19,979 that they're trying to express they're 208 00:08:22,969 --> 00:08:21,479 trying you know a feeling of vibe that's 209 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:22,979 very particular to them that they're 210 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:25,560 trying their hardest to 211 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:27,960 Express to the world and 212 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:29,340 for me it was 213 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:30,960 a matter of trying to find what vehicle 214 00:08:34,670 --> 00:08:32,520 to do that through so 215 00:08:38,149 --> 00:08:34,680 you know I played music from a young age 216 00:08:39,469 --> 00:08:38,159 but I also did visual art and yeah I was 217 00:08:41,630 --> 00:08:39,479 just trying to find the best way to 218 00:08:43,850 --> 00:08:41,640 express this thing that's that's kind of 219 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:43,860 inexpressible you know it's not I don't 220 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:45,180 even know how to describe it it's just 221 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:47,940 sort of a mystery that that lives inside 222 00:08:49,850 --> 00:08:48,959 of me 223 00:08:52,550 --> 00:08:49,860 um 224 00:08:53,870 --> 00:08:52,560 so yeah I I tried it through Visual Art 225 00:08:56,990 --> 00:08:53,880 for a long time went to art school 226 00:08:58,730 --> 00:08:57,000 started painting graphic design 227 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:58,740 um that's what brought me to La you know 228 00:09:04,610 --> 00:09:01,140 I came here to do art did a couple shows 229 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:04,620 showed in some group shows did like uh 230 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:07,200 a multimedia installation at a at a 231 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:08,880 theater here 232 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:11,279 that was about that's kind of deep but 233 00:09:14,690 --> 00:09:12,480 it was about 234 00:09:17,509 --> 00:09:14,700 a fictional research 235 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:17,519 institution that was researching um 236 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:19,920 a ancient civilization that existed in 237 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:22,200 Antarctica 238 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:24,240 so and I presented it as though it was a 239 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:26,940 real thing so I hired actors to come and 240 00:09:30,829 --> 00:09:29,100 play though the researchers and I hired 241 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:30,839 other actors to come play the um 242 00:09:33,650 --> 00:09:32,100 opposing 243 00:09:36,769 --> 00:09:33,660 viewpoint 244 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:36,779 and um yeah it was really fun and 245 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:38,760 interesting but 246 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:40,860 I didn't sell any work because it wasn't 247 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:43,740 for sale so I was just kind of like uh 248 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:46,560 an exercise and futility in some ways 249 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:48,480 but I learned a lot from that so your 250 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:51,060 art has always been kind of um very it 251 00:09:53,630 --> 00:09:52,080 sounds like it's always been kind of 252 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:53,640 like in depth if you're just making a 253 00:09:57,170 --> 00:09:55,260 painting putting it on a wall you're 254 00:09:59,389 --> 00:09:57,180 creating these worlds that people need 255 00:10:01,850 --> 00:09:59,399 to kind of look at and try to enter into 256 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:01,860 that come out of you I mean even with 257 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:03,360 the artwork you were creating a whole 258 00:10:09,230 --> 00:10:06,360 world yeah I liked I liked I liked 259 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:09,240 hinting at some bigger thing you know um 260 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:11,700 yeah is that and that's because you're 261 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:13,680 curious you're exploring that like 262 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:15,180 there's something in there that you 263 00:10:19,970 --> 00:10:17,760 can't fully Express exactly yeah and I 264 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:19,980 feel like the more ways the more Outlets 265 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:21,600 that has to come out the better chance I 266 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:23,700 have of success I guess 267 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:24,360 um 268 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:25,740 but yeah then I started getting more 269 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:27,720 into music again 270 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:31,500 and recorded some stuff up in Michigan 271 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:33,360 I'd taken the trip travel has always 272 00:10:36,590 --> 00:10:34,800 been really key to sort of my creative 273 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:36,600 process too and I've taken the trip to 274 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:38,700 Southeast Asia and then came back to 275 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:40,740 Michigan and I feel like my those first 276 00:10:47,170 --> 00:10:44,040 EPS I recorded after that are very much 277 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,180 Bali and Michigan 278 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:49,560 you've been to Bali a bunch and just 279 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:51,360 that once yeah where did you go like 280 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:55,200 Ubud yeah uh uh seminyak uh and then the 281 00:10:58,730 --> 00:10:56,760 lombok uh 282 00:11:00,170 --> 00:10:58,740 but then Singapore on the way home and 283 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:00,180 it you know it's just I was there for 284 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:01,680 somebody's wedding you know what did you 285 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:03,420 gain from that I've been to Bali too so 286 00:11:07,009 --> 00:11:04,920 incredible what what was that what was 287 00:11:08,269 --> 00:11:07,019 the thing that inspired you in Bali um 288 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:08,279 honestly that was kind of more 289 00:11:11,690 --> 00:11:09,420 straightforward where it was really just 290 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:11,700 the music okay I went and saw some music 291 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:13,320 and I thought it was in theater and I 292 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:14,880 thought it was something I hadn't seen 293 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:17,160 before and the sound that I thought was 294 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:20,820 kind of remarkably absent from music I 295 00:11:25,009 --> 00:11:22,260 knew 296 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:25,019 um and so I I had a little Zoom recorder 297 00:11:27,769 --> 00:11:26,160 with me and I 298 00:11:29,150 --> 00:11:27,779 took some samples of the stuff I was 299 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:29,160 hearing and then went home and tried to 300 00:11:32,810 --> 00:11:30,959 recreate that as best did you see some 301 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,820 of the puppet shows yeah that's part of 302 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:34,260 the culture at some way it's really 303 00:11:38,090 --> 00:11:36,540 really cool yeah and like the stories 304 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:38,100 that they're telling I mean I got the 305 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:41,040 gist these kind of mythological good 306 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:44,640 versus evil very violent stories uh were 307 00:11:49,069 --> 00:11:46,980 really fascinating back up and get some 308 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:49,079 Ben origin story so you're growing up in 309 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:50,880 Michigan yeah your dad's a journalist 310 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:53,279 yep my mom as well Mom's a journalist so 311 00:11:57,769 --> 00:11:55,680 they have probably had ideas about what 312 00:12:00,590 --> 00:11:57,779 they wanted you to end up doing and then 313 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:00,600 you and you're you're in music in high 314 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:02,820 school he had some bands yeah doing some 315 00:12:06,290 --> 00:12:04,500 art and then you moved to LA you don't 316 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:06,300 know anyone out here you just take a 317 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:07,920 wild fling 318 00:12:12,050 --> 00:12:09,600 well 319 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:12,060 not quite that linear uh 320 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:13,980 so I kind of got the travel bug when I 321 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:15,720 was in high school I was an orchestra 322 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:17,940 and we got to go to Europe uh which was 323 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:19,860 my first time out of the country or you 324 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:20,820 know 325 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:24,360 uh on a plane or anything uh 326 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:26,160 and I was just like wow this is this 327 00:12:29,930 --> 00:12:28,380 whole crazy world out here that I'm 328 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,940 pretty interested in checking out so 329 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:32,040 next chance I had to do that again was 330 00:12:36,889 --> 00:12:33,480 you know in college I was able to study 331 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:36,899 abroad for my last semester which 332 00:12:40,810 --> 00:12:39,060 study is a loose term because it really 333 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:40,820 just became a place where I could 334 00:12:46,670 --> 00:12:43,680 explore and didn't go to class much but 335 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:48,530 then I came back and tried New York for 336 00:12:52,009 --> 00:12:49,440 a little while because that seemed like 337 00:12:53,329 --> 00:12:52,019 the place to go for to be an artist so I 338 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:53,339 was only there for about six months 339 00:12:57,230 --> 00:12:54,600 though and then 340 00:12:58,430 --> 00:12:57,240 decided to check out La kind of on a 341 00:13:00,530 --> 00:12:58,440 whim thinking I'd only be here a little 342 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:00,540 while and just never left I was so 343 00:13:04,430 --> 00:13:02,339 intrigued by the 344 00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:04,440 by the art World here but also by the 345 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:06,060 music scene here which I thought felt 346 00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:06,899 more 347 00:13:14,449 --> 00:13:11,519 all over the place stylistically which I 348 00:13:17,329 --> 00:13:14,459 really appreciated so just kind of 349 00:13:19,129 --> 00:13:17,339 never left it shows in your albums you 350 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:19,139 know so many different kinds of song 351 00:13:24,889 --> 00:13:22,620 sounds and instrumentation and those 352 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:24,899 first three EPS you produced them by 353 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:28,680 yourself right yeah everything yeah I 354 00:13:32,269 --> 00:13:31,500 mean that's kind of ambitious uh yeah I 355 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,279 mean 356 00:13:37,069 --> 00:13:35,040 it was amazing for me to discover just 357 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:37,079 how far you know I grew up recording on 358 00:13:41,449 --> 00:13:39,000 a four track tape recorder that's how I 359 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,459 learned how to record music and then 360 00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:43,440 once I started writing music again 361 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:44,700 seriously 362 00:13:49,190 --> 00:13:46,500 discovering all the technology that was 363 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:49,200 at hand really opened up my world I mean 364 00:13:53,930 --> 00:13:51,440 that was a good example for me of how 365 00:13:56,329 --> 00:13:53,940 having the right tools can just uh 366 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:56,339 totally change your life as a is there a 367 00:14:00,110 --> 00:13:58,079 point there that you decide okay if I'm 368 00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:00,120 gonna step it up I need some help and 369 00:14:06,290 --> 00:14:02,040 you got the other guys to come out yeah 370 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:06,300 so my sister and I took our I recorded 371 00:14:09,470 --> 00:14:08,399 those EPs and just burned some CDs at 372 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:09,480 home 373 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:11,940 we took those up to a music festival in 374 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:14,160 Northern California me and my sister and 375 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:16,380 just kind of handed them out and 376 00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:18,720 just for fun basically because we wanted 377 00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:19,680 to see some of the bands that were 378 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:21,240 playing at this Festival 379 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:24,120 and um that was back in the days of 380 00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:26,040 blog journalism was really big 381 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,480 especially in music 382 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:30,000 and someone happened to write about this 383 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:33,300 BP someone handed them at this Festival 384 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:35,880 and next thing I know we get asked to do 385 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:37,560 a show but you know like you said I was 386 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:39,420 doing this all myself so I couldn't 387 00:14:46,009 --> 00:14:43,139 really pull it off uh to the level I'd 388 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:46,019 like to by myself so 389 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:47,160 you know I didn't know a lot of 390 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:49,199 musicians here but thankfully I know I 391 00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:50,940 know great musicians from growing up you 392 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:52,260 know some of the best musicians I ever 393 00:14:56,449 --> 00:14:53,820 have known were these guys I went to 394 00:14:57,949 --> 00:14:56,459 high school with so I called Mark Berry 395 00:14:59,689 --> 00:14:57,959 who's the drummer in the band 396 00:15:01,550 --> 00:14:59,699 and I just said hey look I know you're 397 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:01,560 you're busy in Nashville he was living 398 00:15:05,329 --> 00:15:02,820 in Nashville at the time session 399 00:15:06,650 --> 00:15:05,339 musician but um would you consider 400 00:15:08,509 --> 00:15:06,660 coming out to LA 401 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:08,519 to help me get a band together and do a 402 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:10,740 show you know I said in the EPs and he 403 00:15:16,370 --> 00:15:13,380 said this is cool I like this music 404 00:15:19,069 --> 00:15:16,380 um it's weird but it's cool I'll come 405 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:19,079 out and and help you out so 406 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:21,540 I was so thankful that he said yes 407 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,260 um 408 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,480 because not only 409 00:15:27,650 --> 00:15:26,160 is he just an incredible musician but 410 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:27,660 you know he's one of my best friends so 411 00:15:31,610 --> 00:15:30,360 having him come out was like a real Boon 412 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:31,620 uh 413 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:33,540 and we just kind of set to putting this 414 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:35,160 band together and 415 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:37,860 did a show did another show and we just 416 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:39,480 kind of bit on tour and the other guys 417 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:42,360 came out after yeah so Mark knew Miguel 418 00:15:47,389 --> 00:15:45,360 from who's the bass player from they 419 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:47,399 played Jazz together in high school and 420 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:48,600 I knew we got a little bit but we'd 421 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:51,300 never really played music together so he 422 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:52,620 recruited him 423 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:54,420 we found another couple guys from 424 00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:56,699 Michigan who um we knew 425 00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,320 and then they're not in the Band anymore 426 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:00,480 but our buddy Tom a couple years later 427 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,040 who who we had a bandwidth in high 428 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:04,980 school came out and kind of rounded it 429 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:07,980 out so so guys that I literally had my 430 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,019 first bandwidth or are the guys in the 431 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,240 band now I mean it's clear that whatever 432 00:16:17,689 --> 00:16:14,880 is coming out of you you know people are 433 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:17,699 resonating with you know to go from just 434 00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:19,800 handing out a CD because you want to go 435 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:21,839 see a vet I mean is this an unexp as an 436 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,180 artist is this an unexpected path kind 437 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:26,160 of for you it wasn't planned out right I 438 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:28,380 mean or was it I mean it's like you so 439 00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:29,940 that's kind of a that's a rocket ship 440 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,620 man you're just kind of expressing 441 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,320 something and it really hits people you 442 00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:36,480 know and then bam you go from not 443 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:38,699 playing a show to playing these huge 444 00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,300 yeah concerts yeah I mean it's still 445 00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:44,339 surprises me every day really just think 446 00:16:48,889 --> 00:16:46,500 about how that trajectory went but what 447 00:16:50,449 --> 00:16:48,899 I'm glad happened is that I was able to 448 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:50,459 see I mean I guess it was because the 449 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:52,320 situation I was in at the time you know 450 00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:54,360 I was working as an art director 451 00:16:59,090 --> 00:16:57,300 doing ads and stuff trying to 452 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,100 trying to find a creative outlet that I 453 00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,199 could make a living at basically but 454 00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:03,839 kind of getting ground to dust by it to 455 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:06,360 be perfectly honest uh once I saw it 456 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:09,120 yeah yeah I was just you know making TV 457 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,480 commercials and um print ads and you 458 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:13,919 know I met some great people and it was 459 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,620 nice to be able to be creative but 460 00:17:20,329 --> 00:17:18,480 I didn't have an endless supply of 461 00:17:22,429 --> 00:17:20,339 Creative Energy so at the end of the day 462 00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:22,439 when I was done with that work 463 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,079 I would feel completely Zapped and the 464 00:17:28,970 --> 00:17:27,120 thing I had to show for it was not a 465 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:28,980 true expression of that that thing I was 466 00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:30,500 talking about earlier that 467 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:34,919 that inexpressible you know mystery that 468 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:37,020 you have so such a drive to express it 469 00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,280 was something else entirely it was 470 00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,799 somebody's sales pitch you do have an 471 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,480 end to a supply of Creative Energy just 472 00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:44,160 not for somebody else's property yeah 473 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:45,539 maybe that's well that's what you said 474 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,160 last night it was I was curious about it 475 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:49,440 it's like um you said maybe you said you 476 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,020 don't know maybe we we do have a limited 477 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:54,240 amount of that Creative Energy to do 478 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:56,460 these things you know do you what do you 479 00:18:01,310 --> 00:17:57,960 think where do you fall on that I don't 480 00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:03,049 I guess I don't think about it too much 481 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,440 because what's the point like I'll just 482 00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:06,000 keep making stuff as long as I can and 483 00:18:11,169 --> 00:18:08,700 then yeah if the well runs dry I'll take 484 00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:11,179 up fishing or something you know 485 00:18:15,169 --> 00:18:13,679 it'll be all right but it will be all 486 00:18:17,090 --> 00:18:15,179 right and 487 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:17,100 you know yeah just gonna ride it as long 488 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:18,900 as I can but yeah it's like you were 489 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:21,000 saying it's just surprising that it's 490 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:23,820 worked out the way it has to me and I'm 491 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,980 just glad I was able to see that 492 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,600 maybe maybe it was good that I was 493 00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:28,799 desperate enough to just be like I need 494 00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:30,179 to get out of this and like here's an 495 00:18:32,810 --> 00:18:31,559 opportunity to get out that's a full 496 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:32,820 move man 497 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:34,740 yeah it was it was a little scary but 498 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:37,500 you know my family is really supportive 499 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,480 having my close friends be the guys in 500 00:18:42,409 --> 00:18:40,799 the band was really great because it was 501 00:18:44,510 --> 00:18:42,419 just like we all knew each other and we 502 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:44,520 knew how to support each other how to 503 00:18:49,549 --> 00:18:46,440 make it make it happen Lonesome dreams 504 00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:49,559 first big album full album uh is that 505 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:51,539 what you wanted to do to come out how 506 00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:53,580 you wanted and and how does it change 507 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,140 your life when it happens 508 00:18:59,450 --> 00:18:57,960 yeah uh it came out as we wanted we've 509 00:19:02,210 --> 00:18:59,460 been lucky in that we haven't really had 510 00:19:04,430 --> 00:19:02,220 anybody in our creative business at all 511 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:04,440 uh throughout our career so we've been 512 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:05,800 able to just do what we want to do 513 00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,049 you know we had definitely limited 514 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,799 budget to make that that was the first 515 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:24,240 time we ever like went to a recording 516 00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:25,799 studio and all that but we had a great 517 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:27,419 engineer who was kind of 518 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,400 patient with us his name is Rick Parker 519 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,200 he's kind of a he's kind of a legend in 520 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,320 LA and in certain circles and he was uh 521 00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:36,840 just a perfect guy to pair with for that 522 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,919 and 523 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:39,360 we decided we'd produce it ourselves 524 00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:40,440 because we kind of knew what we were 525 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:41,580 looking for 526 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,260 so he engineered it and we produced it 527 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:44,640 and 528 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:46,260 yeah it was it was a cool feeling 529 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,880 putting that out you know and going on 530 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,919 tour to support it our first kind of big 531 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:51,240 national tour 532 00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:52,980 well it's just a beautiful stuff it's 533 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:54,900 just that's what grabbed you into the 534 00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:56,820 Earth there's no no other song like it 535 00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:59,640 on radio and then or now no 536 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:01,860 um so you start getting known you start 537 00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:04,260 appearing on television here and there 538 00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,539 we were looking for interviews that 539 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:07,679 you've done over the years and you've 540 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,419 had to do some because to promote your 541 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:11,039 music and your band 542 00:20:14,930 --> 00:20:13,020 but not a lot I mean you're 543 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:14,940 uncomfortable with it aren't you a 544 00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:17,700 little bit are you a Cota right now good 545 00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:20,160 that's great you guys are making me feel 546 00:20:23,450 --> 00:20:21,960 right at home okay good this desert 547 00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:23,460 water is doing the truth thank you yeah 548 00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:26,039 we need more of that but I mean you are 549 00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:28,380 a little worried about where it leads I 550 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:30,780 mean you're a creative person you want 551 00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:32,580 the world to see your music but at the 552 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,200 same time you worry about what it means 553 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,760 to you and your wife and your pressure 554 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:37,679 and we just don't want it to be about us 555 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,760 like 556 00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:41,520 we're very focused on it being about the 557 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,840 stuff we're making 558 00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,880 um which obviously there's 559 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:46,679 you can't have that entirely when you're 560 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:47,820 an artist and you're out there 561 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:49,620 performing every night you know I guess 562 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:50,820 we should have thought ahead and like 563 00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,320 done the Daft Punk thing or uh but 564 00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,600 but no uh I think we have really 565 00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:59,280 respectful fans too who kind of know 566 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:01,140 that we have certain feelings about our 567 00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,340 privacy and everything and they're 568 00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:04,380 really cool about giving us our space 569 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,059 and we love interacting with them I'm 570 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:08,820 not saying we like uh turn our shoulder 571 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,260 to them or anything but 572 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:12,240 you know we like our space we like it to 573 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:13,740 not be about us it's not a cult of 574 00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:17,820 personality or a a tabloid sensation or 575 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,559 just not that kind of people you know 576 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,720 you can feel that you know in in what 577 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:23,039 you're what you're saying or what you're 578 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,840 creating or the feeling that someone 579 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,640 like me gets from the music is it it's 580 00:21:31,010 --> 00:21:29,100 big it's vast it's about something more 581 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:31,020 Cosmic and you said that to me yesterday 582 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,460 when we were at your studio that it 583 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:35,039 wasn't ever just about you guys and you 584 00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:36,840 get that even from your art where you 585 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,580 obscure the faces and I know you said 586 00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:40,320 that's like Memories how you start to 587 00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,299 lose them and you know your memory of 588 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,159 that is not complete but you just get 589 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,840 this sense that you're you're kind of 590 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,120 sitting back but your move your music 591 00:21:52,669 --> 00:21:51,120 and the ideas are moving forward but I 592 00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:52,679 mean you can only hold that so long 593 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,900 people like you know you've touched a 594 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,600 nerve yeah yeah I'm happy to 595 00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,700 you know share in the right settings and 596 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:01,440 that's not like I'm uh trying to be 597 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,960 cageier or anything it's just 598 00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:06,480 yeah it's just I value my privacy and I 599 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:08,460 really do more than anything I wanted to 600 00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,900 be about what we're creating and not 601 00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:12,179 about us as people because and sometimes 602 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,860 people think that means that the music 603 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:15,840 we make isn't personal when I say that 604 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:17,880 but that's not what it means it just 605 00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:20,220 means that 606 00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:22,860 um it's something inside that I'm trying 607 00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,600 to express it's very personal but it's 608 00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,880 not autobiographical I guess if that 609 00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:29,039 makes sense and that comes from you you 610 00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:30,539 told us last night at dinner that that 611 00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,340 comes from like an earlier time in your 612 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:35,100 life where you know maybe just as a 613 00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:36,900 local kid there was stuff coming out 614 00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:39,659 about you tell us that's pretty good 615 00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,179 right yeah oh gosh you need more Desert 616 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:44,880 Water yeah that's okay yeah well someone 617 00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:46,140 like you mentioned my dad was a 618 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,880 journalist uh he wrote a daily column 619 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,220 for 35 years for the Lansing State 620 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:52,799 Journal and um 621 00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,940 you know he could write about whatever 622 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,740 he wanted it was like a job that doesn't 623 00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:58,320 exist anymore basically uh so during the 624 00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:59,940 week you would write about 625 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,320 you know 626 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,360 local businessmen cheating old ladies 627 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:04,799 and and kind of who's kind of a champion 628 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,620 of the of the of the people and stuff 629 00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:09,720 um that was the ad yeah there was an ad 630 00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:12,059 that said John Schneider he's a huge 631 00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:13,380 champion of the people 632 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,659 which um we made fun of him for 633 00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:18,480 endlessly when we were kids but on 634 00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,340 Sundays he he would write about the 635 00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:22,679 family and 636 00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,559 and you know it just it was rough 637 00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,299 sometimes to go to school on Monday and 638 00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:29,039 have your teacher be like I heard you I 639 00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,539 heard you got busted for a party this 640 00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:33,179 weekend or whatever you know and your 641 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,860 business was all laid bare to the whole 642 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,020 community and 643 00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:38,640 and that's that's not like I actually 644 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,140 hold any hard feelings against him for 645 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:42,480 it because you know I get I get it but 646 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:43,980 it was kind of it was kind of hard 647 00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:46,260 sometimes to have that all out there I 648 00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,010 you know make me decide that I was gonna 649 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:54,539 devote a bit of energy to guarding my 650 00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:01,130 um we got to see the the legendary 651 00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,960 Whispering Pine studio and uh you know 652 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,299 your fans I watch them on there's some 653 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,640 Reddit subreddit things where they you 654 00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:10,559 drop them a lot of Easter eggs and 655 00:24:14,049 --> 00:24:12,059 there's a playful relationship there 656 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,059 you'll you'll give them things that are 657 00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,440 essentially Clues to some other kind of 658 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,080 mystery or they interpret them that way 659 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,760 including the story of of the studio and 660 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:23,039 I I honestly had no idea really what was 661 00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,840 true and what wasn't until we saw it 662 00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,120 yesterday it is a place that does have a 663 00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,559 history it's just not exactly the 664 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:30,419 history that you've you've weaved for 665 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,480 the for the last project yeah I mean I 666 00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,039 think we were inspired by the space just 667 00:24:39,049 --> 00:24:36,960 because you can sense it things have 668 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:39,059 happened there you know I mean just 669 00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,200 uh 670 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,179 we we think it was built in the early 671 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:44,880 70s and you know it's been pretty much 672 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:47,700 unchanged since then so all the acoustic 673 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:50,700 treatment and all the parquet floor and 674 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:53,820 the glass that you can't clean 675 00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,039 um it's all just as it was so you can 676 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559 really feel the history and I think when 677 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,200 we were starting to make those alive and 678 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,840 Whispering Pines episodes between covid 679 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:05,340 we kind of took a lot of inspiration 680 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:07,140 from that like what kind of ghosts are 681 00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:08,520 hanging out in here and what can we tell 682 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:10,500 their stories um maybe we don't know 683 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,419 exactly who was here but let's 684 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:14,400 let's imagine what happened here and 685 00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,500 what you know I just noticed that it was 686 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,960 alive from Whispering it's not live 687 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:21,179 meaning not you're not exactly sure 688 00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,980 everyone who's at Westwind lines is 689 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,600 really alive right yeah exactly yeah 690 00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,240 exactly yeah it's a real inspiring place 691 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,940 I mean it's you know you had us come and 692 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:31,740 go down this little alley we get into 693 00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:33,960 the back we we see some cars we're like 694 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:35,880 this is probably right and he started 695 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,980 telling us that it was a place that um 696 00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,419 they used to do recordings back in the 697 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:41,279 day so it it's really hard to 698 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:42,900 encapsulate that to show that I think 699 00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,820 actually your videos kind of show the 700 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,679 feeling yeah it's yeah really I mean 701 00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:49,140 it's it has a when you record something 702 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,940 in a space like that it's got to inspire 703 00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:52,559 you a little bit it's a really unique 704 00:26:01,970 --> 00:26:00,600 thank you 705 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,980 [Music] 706 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:04,080 chilling out with your buddy Ben my 707 00:26:08,289 --> 00:26:06,659 buddy Ben that's uh so this is your 708 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,299 studio 709 00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,500 the album would recognize that but 710 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:12,659 that's you you did that work I did that 711 00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:13,620 yeah 712 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,880 long lost LP 713 00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:20,240 uh Priceless artwork 714 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,919 paint it for the album or you already 715 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:24,480 had that in mind you wanted to do and 716 00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:27,240 then you made the album fit to that good 717 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,679 question I think they kind of developed 718 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,140 together I guess I just had this kind of 719 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,760 vibe that I was trying to 720 00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:34,860 create and at first it seemed like 721 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,179 creating was probably the best way to 722 00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,460 get there to visualize it and then it 723 00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,340 turned into songs and other stuff so I 724 00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:43,860 think I actually did paint this before I 725 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:45,179 wrote a lot of the records I was telling 726 00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:46,980 Jeremy about you you make up these 727 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,260 country groups yeah and then you release 728 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,760 songs under it and you don't even say 729 00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,740 it's Lord Huron there's a new song out 730 00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:55,020 it's yours and it's by Hefty lefty or 731 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:56,279 something sometimes it helps me 732 00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,900 conceptualize things to go deep like 733 00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:59,640 that it might be a little Overkill but 734 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,039 the people who appreciate it I think uh 735 00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:03,600 it's worth the time was it Donnie and 736 00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:07,380 Midge is that this is yeah 737 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,500 George is a big fan he ain't kidding 738 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:12,600 that's beautiful man so you painted that 739 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,700 some of that stuff just made me God damn 740 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,440 just laughed out loud Donnia Ridge 741 00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:17,760 sounds like it would be an old country 742 00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:19,590 yeah yeah 743 00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:24,320 [Music] 744 00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:30,970 of songs 745 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:33,779 it's some songs I know and then more 746 00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,149 [Music] 747 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,620 yeah it's been very inspiring so 748 00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,900 we've made every record since strange 749 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,460 Trails there so the last three records 750 00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:53,039 we we've done entirely there and you 751 00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,299 know it's just our clubhouse we shoot 752 00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,159 our music videos there we 753 00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:58,380 we throw parties there we hang out there 754 00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,260 uh it's just uh it's been 755 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,779 like almost a another member of the band 756 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,980 or something you know it's like a 757 00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:07,260 character in our in our world we noticed 758 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,659 all the cars all you guys drive Bentleys 759 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,700 and roses 760 00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,500 you live in the rock star life then 761 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:15,659 right yeah yep you're right we're 762 00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,360 absolutely balling out of control yep 763 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:20,760 that's us yeah that that mythology about 764 00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:22,980 Whispering Pines and Tubbs Tarbell and 765 00:28:26,529 --> 00:28:24,900 that was what the publicist introduced 766 00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:26,539 me to in these 767 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,179 elaborate scenes and mythology that led 768 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,820 up to the release of that that um that 769 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,000 album and you know we saw yesterday we 770 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,340 were talking about it uh about all these 771 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:40,080 country artists that you made up so 772 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,700 there's obviously a lot of country 773 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,700 influence that that you've uh 774 00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,140 incorporated into your work over the 775 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,760 years but you make up all these country 776 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,620 artists and then you make up songs for 777 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,600 them and then you actually released them 778 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,520 you release songs that are not even 779 00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,679 under Lord huron's banner and just pop 780 00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:57,059 it out there and let people figure out 781 00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:58,440 what it is I don't understand that he 782 00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,940 was somebody so like you create these 783 00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:02,220 fictional characters and like old 784 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:03,659 Countryside and then you actually do 785 00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:05,460 just put it out under their name with no 786 00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:09,900 attachment to your work yeah okay he 787 00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:12,779 said it's a great plan that one painting 788 00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:15,179 that Ben did uh up on the wall that we 789 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,580 we saw I think he labeled them as Donnie 790 00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,640 and Midge this Duke country duo and 791 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,679 there was a a brief clip of the song 792 00:29:26,889 --> 00:29:24,240 that Donnie and Midge were doing in the 793 00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,899 commercial that they had that lady 794 00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:28,919 yeah that's right yeah that's some 795 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,899 elusive man I know I don't know 796 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,700 okay yeah the label wasn't the label 797 00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:34,140 wasn't quite on board with that either 798 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:37,080 you know it's hard to monetize yeah but 799 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,820 uh like I was saying I don't know maybe 800 00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:40,559 we maybe sometimes it goes a little far 801 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,460 but 802 00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:43,500 I really love giving things some 803 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,779 background and I think it comes through 804 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:47,840 somehow or I guess 805 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,340 it's like Whispers through the trees man 806 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:52,080 I mean you got people just speaking 807 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:53,580 about your music I mean that's George 808 00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:55,260 has been preaching Lord Huron ever since 809 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,700 he heard it took me a while to kind of 810 00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:59,039 tap in but there there's a sense of like 811 00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,080 you want to enter that world because 812 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,720 it's not being thrown in your face so 813 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,520 yeah you know yeah I think the mystery 814 00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:07,380 of it has been part of the Allure to to 815 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,960 our fans and they and you know it's been 816 00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,700 really cool to see them discover things 817 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,799 that I thought were 818 00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:15,480 pretty much just this background work 819 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,919 for ourselves that I didn't really think 820 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:18,840 would ever find any find its way into 821 00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,960 any public Consciousness really and to 822 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:23,460 see them discover that and not only that 823 00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,580 but expand upon it 824 00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,799 um I've seen it spark creativity in the 825 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,899 community which is really I mean just 826 00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,100 the most beautiful 827 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:34,080 gift they can give back to us is to see 828 00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,340 that it's inspired them to make things 829 00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,480 you know people are making these 830 00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:38,520 beautiful paintings based on 831 00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,399 songs and uh you know a close friend of 832 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:43,799 ours made a movie based on one of our 833 00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,740 albums and um a feature-length film and 834 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,500 it's just so it's beautiful well there's 835 00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,360 there's a humor element to it that I 836 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:53,279 don't know that everybody gets but God 837 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:56,520 damn it was funny I mean the names that 838 00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,200 they made up that Ben had made up for 839 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,600 some of these artists Hefty Lefty uh 840 00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:03,000 handsome Scott Donnie and Midge sounds 841 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,659 like real country artists I would try to 842 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:08,760 stump him when we would exchange emails 843 00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,600 about 844 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,220 um old country artists that I figure I'm 845 00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,140 the only person alive that still knows 846 00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,059 who they were he knows all of them yeah 847 00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,919 I've got five albums today Lefty 848 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,020 Frizzell and Webb Pierce and I love that 849 00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,200 stats like that because that stuff has 850 00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,539 it has mythology built into it too and I 851 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:26,220 think that those artists were very aware 852 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,480 of what they were doing too I mean you 853 00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,700 know people think of country music has 854 00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,960 three chords and the truth and all that 855 00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,480 and that's really true to a degree but 856 00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,520 they were also very conscious of their 857 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,500 personas and of the mythology 858 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:40,020 surrounding the songs and I think that's 859 00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,880 really cool there's an incredible 860 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,740 Artistry to what those old country 861 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,020 musicians did well it's Incorporated 862 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,020 little tiny little things that you keep 863 00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,120 in these records uh rinky Tink piano 864 00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,580 that sounds like Scott Kramer's or um 865 00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:56,159 what am I thinking of Floyd Cramer uh 866 00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,140 the ballet stuff that's in your the 867 00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,080 three EPs and French you obviously spent 868 00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,539 some time in in France the French titles 869 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,880 they get into it too and yeah 870 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,500 it's a great mix there's just nothing 871 00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:09,840 else like it thanks what was the whole 872 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:11,159 thing so I was last night I was like 873 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:13,080 looking at a bunch of stuff and I saw 874 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:14,220 the one where there's all these little 875 00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:16,140 commercials that kind of blip in and out 876 00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,820 and your your music kind of goes through 877 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,399 it it's just like a creative um way to 878 00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,559 show and enter people in but did you 879 00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,380 like set up those those actors to talk 880 00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:28,020 about each of those things and yeah so 881 00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:28,980 bizarre 882 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:32,520 [Music] 883 00:32:40,269 --> 00:32:38,130 [Applause] 884 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,279 [Music] 885 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,440 hello my friend Heidi here is wearing 886 00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,020 what we like to call a sky gazers 887 00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,899 harness now that is a proprietary term 888 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,179 so if you run across one with that 889 00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,799 phrase you know you're getting the real 890 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,840 thing unbelievable what does this allow 891 00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,480 you to do you may be asking you may 892 00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:59,760 already know but it allows us to do 893 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:02,580 exactly what it says gaze into the sky 894 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,360 and accept what it is giving us for our 895 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,860 health and for the health of those 896 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,260 around us it's comprised of the helmet 897 00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,720 which is receiving the energy from the 898 00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,299 tube that goes right pigment this glory 899 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,820 is wonderful product that will open you 900 00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,860 up it moisturizes 901 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,779 do you hear that 902 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,580 it moisturizes you're not going to find 903 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,200 that anywhere else you're not going to 904 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,840 find mind pigment cream that's actually 905 00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:30,240 good for your skin anywhere but on the 906 00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:42,350 Pandora is being warped by this 907 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,960 threshold it's it's difficult to discern 908 00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,720 I was great you know you're like what am 909 00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,760 I watching yeah we had this idea of 910 00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:52,440 making I don't know we always are drawn 911 00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:54,299 to this idea of like infomercials too is 912 00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:55,740 that kind of a 913 00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,679 launch our albums and uh I don't know 914 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,059 it's just a cool format because you can 915 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,220 you can have the humor which I think 916 00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:04,500 you know sometimes our music can seem 917 00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,019 serious in a way that I think is uh 918 00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:09,119 maybe over Earnest but there's always 919 00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,440 humor involved in everything we do and 920 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:12,119 we like to show people that that that's 921 00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,200 that's 922 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:16,320 riding shotgun constantly and what we're 923 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,099 doing 924 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,960 um not to say that we're not serious 925 00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:20,399 about things we're talking about but 926 00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,179 yeah 927 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,700 I think where the our philosophy is kind 928 00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,740 of what can you do but laugh when you 929 00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:27,839 look at the when you stare into the void 930 00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:28,940 yeah 931 00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:31,619 well the void comes up a lot uh 932 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:34,619 mortality comes up a lot ghosts literal 933 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,500 and figurative ghosts in your music and 934 00:34:41,889 --> 00:34:39,780 obviously you put a lot of thought into 935 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:41,899 the big questions like what comes next 936 00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:44,520 yeah I think yeah I mean I think 937 00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,200 everybody as far as I know everybody 938 00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:49,440 thinks a lot about that stuff but maybe 939 00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,639 um 940 00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,980 maybe we've been pretty obsessed with 941 00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:54,960 exploring it and just thinking about all 942 00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,420 of its facets and not necessarily trying 943 00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,800 to answer any of those questions but 944 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:00,660 kind of as I was saying before just 945 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,780 being comfortable sitting back in awe of 946 00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:05,940 those Mysteries and of those uh 947 00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,280 of those questions and just how 948 00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,920 intrinsic they are to our lives and our 949 00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,440 our inner lives and our outer lives 950 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,079 um yeah to me it's an endless source of 951 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,880 material because it's kind of 952 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:19,800 unanswerable you slip a lot of stuff 953 00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,280 into songs and lyrics uh references that 954 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,980 that suggest to me you read a wide range 955 00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:28,200 of stuff like not only fiction but 956 00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:31,500 cosmology religion I mean are are we 957 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,300 exaggerating there I mean I do like to 958 00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:35,940 read it a lot um and I do have pretty 959 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,339 pretty varied tastes yeah trying to 960 00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,680 think what a like mathematics books you 961 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,780 like like you have physics I'll read 962 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,060 like like you know Layman physics I 963 00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:46,560 can't do the Deep yeah but I love those 964 00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,320 books about just like uh you know trying 965 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,540 to explain to the to the Layman the size 966 00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,760 of the universe and the origins of the 967 00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,040 universe why do you love those I think 968 00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,079 because it's like to me those are the 969 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:00,780 ultimate spooky Mysteries and it's 970 00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:03,060 really interesting that we know quite a 971 00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,320 bit about it but we still don't know 972 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:07,380 everything and and 973 00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:08,700 um I don't know I mean what's more 974 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,099 interesting than than those huge 975 00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:13,260 huge questions you know stuff about 976 00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,700 Consciousness too I love reading about 977 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:16,800 that just because it's kind of 978 00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,020 seems like an unanswerable question to 979 00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,300 me which is really interesting uh or my 980 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,800 intuition is that it's Financial well I 981 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:25,560 don't know maybe they'll figure it out 982 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,740 um but yeah uh my wife is even more of a 983 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:30,720 voracious reader than me so she's often 984 00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,300 giving me stuff to read um and the cliff 985 00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,240 notes yeah and the cliff notes she's I'm 986 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,680 reading House of Mirth right now which 987 00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:40,140 she recommended Edith Thornton and 988 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,619 reading Steve biko's essays we just 989 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:45,960 visited South Africa so I was kind of 990 00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:51,589 and I'm also reading a 991 00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,220 a book on Ojibwe mythology 992 00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:58,020 so yeah pretty varied right now but um 993 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,540 it all it all feeds 994 00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,720 something that that's who the Huron are 995 00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,579 today right yeah exactly yeah we've been 996 00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,960 spending a lot more time in Michigan and 997 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,000 I've been kind of trying to you know 998 00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:10,980 learn as much as I can about the people 999 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:12,119 who 1000 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,240 land that is and uh 1001 00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:20,460 I think mythology of a culture is an 1002 00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,020 interesting place to start because it's 1003 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:24,119 kind of the foundation of culture you 1004 00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,720 know 1005 00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:27,119 so you had told us about this vacation 1006 00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:29,940 you went on and and I we exchanged 1007 00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:32,040 emails different parts of it and I 1008 00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:33,660 realized holy crap this guy's been on 1009 00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:35,880 the road with his wife for three four 1010 00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:38,220 months travel in the world are you a 1011 00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,720 workaholic while you're traveling are 1012 00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,400 you taking notes looking for story ideas 1013 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,700 and song ideas yeah I mean I've tried 1014 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,560 really hard as I've gotten older 1015 00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:48,780 especially to integrate 1016 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,300 my work into my just everyday life so 1017 00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,060 that I can be kind of seamless and 1018 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,740 you know for a long time I was working 1019 00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,420 in a way that I think was unhealthy for 1020 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,579 my physical health and for my 1021 00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,079 relationships because I was just kind of 1022 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,200 Disappearing and re-emerging pale and 1023 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,920 awkward uh but to travel like I was 1024 00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:10,020 saying before has been such a source of 1025 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:13,380 uh inspiration for me so 1026 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,900 um I you know it is a vacation but I do 1027 00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,180 consider it also like a real place where 1028 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,119 I collect ideas so I always end up with 1029 00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:23,940 a bunch of fragments for songs I got 1030 00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,579 this great little guitar that I can put 1031 00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,740 in the overhead bin so it's like I've 1032 00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,160 got my sort of travel setup really 1033 00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,980 really dialed in now um so you know we'd 1034 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,900 be floating on a boat on the Nile and I 1035 00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,680 could 1036 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,839 play my guitar and think about a song 1037 00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:42,180 and uh you know we stopped through some 1038 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,619 cities too so like in Berlin I actually 1039 00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:45,240 booked some studio time and did a little 1040 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,859 work wow 1041 00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:49,680 but yeah nothing's been more 1042 00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:53,099 valuable inspiration wise and travel for 1043 00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,599 me we're really interested in the 1044 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,460 creative process neither of us can write 1045 00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,800 music or songs or anything but where it 1046 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,020 comes from you know read about the 1047 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,180 Beatles uh you occasionally hear a story 1048 00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:06,000 like from McCartney that he woke up he 1049 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,380 had a dream and woke up with yesterday 1050 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,720 in his head it was all the whole melody 1051 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,700 was there other people who would an 1052 00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,440 entire song written there it is when you 1053 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:15,300 wake up does that happen 1054 00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:17,460 not quite that fully form but I 1055 00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,780 definitely have 1056 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,920 um 1057 00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,900 woken up with Melodies in my head and 1058 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,339 and that I think I was talking to you 1059 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,720 guys before about how 1060 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,940 you know my insomnia has led to these 1061 00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,920 auditory hallucinations occasionally and 1062 00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:30,660 sometimes it will be musical usually 1063 00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:33,780 it's voices but sometimes it will be 1064 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,180 um yeah just Melodies and 1065 00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:38,400 I know I've probably woken up my wife a 1066 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,540 few times 1067 00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,760 humming into my voice recorder in the 1068 00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,040 middle of night uh trying to not forget 1069 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,839 something and you know honestly 1070 00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,660 sometimes when I when I get get around 1071 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,240 to actually looking at it later I'll be 1072 00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,859 like I actually wasn't that cool what 1073 00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,200 the hell yeah but every every now and 1074 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,900 then is a good one I've never had 1075 00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:00,180 a number one Smash Hit appear in my head 1076 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:02,540 when I wake up to like Paul McCartney 1077 00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,740 do you know that when you write 1078 00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:06,240 something do you know that it's gonna 1079 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,099 resonate it's gonna people are gonna 1080 00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,079 feel that do you know before it goes out 1081 00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,480 that one is going to touch people 1082 00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:15,359 no I mean I I hope and like sometimes 1083 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,099 I'll write something and think 1084 00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,440 this seems really true or really 1085 00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,599 resonant to me 1086 00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:23,820 and sometimes it will end up I think 1087 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:25,380 being that way for other people but you 1088 00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:26,760 just never know some songs I've written 1089 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:28,500 that I thought would be more have more 1090 00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,420 of a connection haven't landed the way I 1091 00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:33,000 thought which I think is that's all part 1092 00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,140 of that thing I was talking about where 1093 00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:36,240 everybody has a different mystery they 1094 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,520 connect with and sometimes you hit it 1095 00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,380 and sometimes you don't you had told me 1096 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000 once before that there's always an 1097 00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,160 element of Truth or something of you and 1098 00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:45,599 the songs and the lyrics that you write 1099 00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,820 and I'm thinking what a dirty bastard 1100 00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,440 this guy is I'm looking at some of his 1101 00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,480 songs and uh 1102 00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:53,579 I didn't mean the things I said I didn't 1103 00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,130 I can I can expand into fiction a little 1104 00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:03,359 bit but I think exploring some of my you 1105 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,859 know your darker impulses that you do 1106 00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,760 have 1107 00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,500 thinking about 1108 00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:09,420 where they could lead has been really a 1109 00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,660 fertile ground for me you know and just 1110 00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,420 you know the good things that I have in 1111 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,400 life sometimes I'll take those and just 1112 00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,500 think about it helps me see how bad it 1113 00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,660 could be if that makes any sense like 1114 00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,820 appreciating the good things that I have 1115 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:25,980 um so yeah it's not always literally 1116 00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:28,260 about me but usually it's either 1117 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:29,640 something that's happened to someone 1118 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:32,520 close to me or sort of a fictional 1119 00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:34,260 spin-off of something that I've gone 1120 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,880 through or someone close to me has gone 1121 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:37,920 through but like we've talked about 1122 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,060 before 1123 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:41,160 sometimes you can 1124 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:43,140 you can convey so much more truth in 1125 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,760 fiction because you don't you can cut 1126 00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,560 out all the 1127 00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:49,020 all the real 1128 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,700 surroundings that are getting away 1129 00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:52,800 sometimes of getting to the uh 1130 00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,339 the the heart of a matter yeah 1131 00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,680 is there like a one of the songs that 1132 00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,839 you might play uh you know when you do 1133 00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,060 these shows that like is really special 1134 00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,119 to you like it always feels you know 1135 00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:08,520 powerful to you when you play it 1136 00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,619 it's a good question it's different on 1137 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:12,420 different nights I think just depending 1138 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,800 on what 1139 00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:15,300 you know frankly how good the 1140 00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:17,099 performance is sometimes I'll be really 1141 00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:19,020 inspired by the way somebody's playing 1142 00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:20,700 or 1143 00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:31,500 um 1144 00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:33,060 I remember 1145 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,060 playing at uh Red Rocks I think two 1146 00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:37,200 years ago 1147 00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,460 I guess 1148 00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:40,380 I don't know a few years ago and we 1149 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:41,880 played one called the ghost on the shore 1150 00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,480 and it got so quiet when there's ten 1151 00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:47,460 thousand people that are that quiet and 1152 00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:50,040 just really paying attention to the song 1153 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,480 and seem to really 1154 00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:53,940 sort of understand what it's about or it 1155 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,280 seemed that way to me 1156 00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:57,599 um that's pretty that was pretty special 1157 00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,700 what's the biggest crowds you played to 1158 00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,740 and do you get nervous uh do you get 1159 00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:03,119 stage fright a little bit or uh 1160 00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:04,440 butterflies when you're going on to 1161 00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,579 something big 1162 00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,440 I've never had too big of a problem with 1163 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,359 Stage but honestly except for the times 1164 00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,300 when some some circumstances are making 1165 00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,940 it extra stressful but um you know we've 1166 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,800 played a huge Festival audiences and 1167 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,900 that's stressful in a way but almost 1168 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,640 less stressful than a smaller theater 1169 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,740 audience where you know they're there 1170 00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,720 just to see you and they're have certain 1171 00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:26,460 expectations about 1172 00:43:31,089 --> 00:43:28,740 show you should you should deliver and 1173 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:31,099 uh yeah it can be a little 1174 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,200 nerve-wracking I mean especially when 1175 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,240 we play in Detroit and I know there's 1176 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,640 100 in my family extended family members 1177 00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:40,680 out there I'll uh 1178 00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,140 all wondering if I'm really the real 1179 00:43:47,329 --> 00:43:45,720 thing or not yeah that's so for you were 1180 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,339 telling us last night it's an 1181 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,380 interesting thing where your family you 1182 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,540 know they kind of know you as you were a 1183 00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,980 kid obviously so they've seen you 1184 00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:54,300 through everything what is their 1185 00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,339 barometer for understanding you know 1186 00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,839 kind of what you're doing now in the 1187 00:44:01,609 --> 00:44:00,240 world you were saying for some people if 1188 00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,619 they see me on a late night show they're 1189 00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,599 like oh you really did it yeah you made 1190 00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:05,640 it you know other people see a concert 1191 00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:07,619 of yours but then one of your family 1192 00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:11,099 members it was here in a herein that 1193 00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:12,839 George played one of your song yeah so 1194 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,060 my yeah my aunt daddy who lives in Vegas 1195 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,760 and so she knows you as a as a 1196 00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,960 personality 1197 00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,640 uh list loves you and listens to your 1198 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,740 show and she heard you play a lord here 1199 00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,200 on one of your bumpers and I think 1200 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,180 that's when she was like wow oh you 1201 00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,520 finally made it Benjamin is actually not 1202 00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:31,040 a loser 1203 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:33,720 uh because you know yeah they all know 1204 00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:35,700 us knew me from they knew I had bands 1205 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:37,140 you know I played it like when my 1206 00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:38,520 brother graduated high school my band 1207 00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:40,500 played in the garage you know and they 1208 00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:44,040 were like okay uh why we don't need punk 1209 00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,920 music at this uh was it was a punk band 1210 00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,839 yeah yeah we I 1211 00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,520 we kind of went through some phases but 1212 00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:52,319 that was that uh 1213 00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,180 you know in the mid 90s it was kind of 1214 00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,359 Scott and punk was kind of the the Indie 1215 00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,819 music of the moment so we were all all 1216 00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,740 pretty drawn to punk 1217 00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,240 you know it's fun to play and when 1218 00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:04,560 you're learning an instrument it's 1219 00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,359 really fun to play you don't think it's 1220 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,220 too much of a transition to country that 1221 00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:09,839 there are some similarities to that I do 1222 00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,819 yeah I mean I think again there's that 1223 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,500 sort of idea of creating mythology 1224 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,640 around 1225 00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:16,740 what you're doing that I think they both 1226 00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,280 Embrace and hard times are both common 1227 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:22,740 themes in those types of music 1228 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,900 um simplicity 1229 00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:27,599 um a deceptive Simplicity I think uh 1230 00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:28,500 people 1231 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:30,859 often confuse 1232 00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,140 having a few records with Simplicity 1233 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,780 which I don't necessarily think is true 1234 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640 because there's an emotional depth 1235 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,040 behind a lot of that music that's really 1236 00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,560 complex 1237 00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:45,599 um the night we met 1238 00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:48,720 I I've seen on YouTube videos where 1239 00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:50,099 you've addressed the audience say if 1240 00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:51,420 somebody a lot of you are here because 1241 00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,400 of this song is that that was a really 1242 00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:56,160 big song for your band yeah it ended up 1243 00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,480 being I mean 1244 00:46:03,890 --> 00:45:59,880 we put that album out in as on strange 1245 00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:03,900 trails and put that album out in 2015. 1246 00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,180 and actually my wife and I were on our 1247 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,760 first big trip we took abroad where we 1248 00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,680 were just living 1249 00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,420 sort of in the countryside in France for 1250 00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,640 a few months between albums um took some 1251 00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:16,619 time to write and just had a friend who 1252 00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:18,119 had a place they weren't using so we 1253 00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,099 were able to live there really cheap and 1254 00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,839 um my manager called and said hey they 1255 00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,359 want to use this song and this TV show 1256 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:26,700 and honestly I was like I don't want to 1257 00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:28,440 deal with this right now 1258 00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,880 let's not do it and my wife said well 1259 00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,839 you might as well 1260 00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:35,040 like 1261 00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:36,900 we're pretty cool about putting our 1262 00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,640 songs in in narrative uh projects like I 1263 00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,040 don't want to be on a 1264 00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:46,200 dishwasher soap commercial yeah but like 1265 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,180 I'm cool if I can add a little something 1266 00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,220 to somebody else's 1267 00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,859 uh story they want to tell so we've been 1268 00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:54,540 pretty 1269 00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,619 Music and if it's in something you know 1270 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,260 creative so we said we ended up saying 1271 00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,780 yes and um these did on this show called 1272 00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:06,240 13 Reasons Why 1273 00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,940 um and you know I forgot about it 1274 00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,220 honestly and just went about my trip and 1275 00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:13,200 then you know it ended up being this big 1276 00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,200 hit show and the the song plays a role 1277 00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,780 in the story so it kind of made it even 1278 00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:21,359 more of a connection with people and 1279 00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:22,440 yeah it's just 1280 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,500 really took off so we've been 1281 00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:27,359 super thankful that 1282 00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,839 it's a song We like you know the one uh 1283 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:32,579 one of our favorite songs to play and 1284 00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,660 stuff so 1285 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,760 yeah I mean it's very gratifying to see 1286 00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,040 people connecting with on such deep dude 1287 00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,079 had a billion downloads or something 1288 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:43,140 like that it yeah I mean uh Spotify 1289 00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:45,300 recently sent us a plaque because it was 1290 00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,599 streamed a billion times just on Spotify 1291 00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,599 I know it's uh it's hard to believe but 1292 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,640 a lot a lot of ears on that it's a lot 1293 00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:55,680 of ears yeah it's really cool so it's 1294 00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:59,220 definitely expanded our audience and um 1295 00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,780 and you know hopefully it's just a 1296 00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,280 Gateway where people can get get into 1297 00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,079 the other stuff and so far it seems like 1298 00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,020 it has been people will start there 1299 00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,119 get a taste for what we're doing and 1300 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,800 then kind of find out there's a lot more 1301 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,380 to to the style Jeremy's asked me well 1302 00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:15,599 so what are your favorite songs I can't 1303 00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,160 even list the favorite songs per album 1304 00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,140 because it changes from week to week or 1305 00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:20,400 something you know it depends on your 1306 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,780 mood 1307 00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,880 um 1308 00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,760 I'm thinking the uh the last song next 1309 00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:28,980 to the last song on long lost is pretty 1310 00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,980 spectacular deep thought it's what do it 1311 00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:33,180 mean 1312 00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:34,980 seems you're you're digging pretty deep 1313 00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,839 there what if it doesn't mean anything 1314 00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:38,640 what if there is nothing else what if 1315 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,780 there is no 1316 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:41,940 we have no personal Destiny there's no 1317 00:48:48,610 --> 00:48:46,150 [Music] 1318 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:48,620 [Applause] 1319 00:48:56,450 --> 00:49:04,370 [Music] 1320 00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:05,380 [Applause] 1321 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:11,630 I mean that that does encapsulate that 1322 00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,780 philosophy I was talking about before 1323 00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,280 where it's not about answering I mean 1324 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:16,440 the title of the song is literally a 1325 00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:17,400 question 1326 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,119 um 1327 00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,920 with bad grammar 1328 00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:21,420 um 1329 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:24,119 because it's not about 1330 00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:25,619 getting to the bottom of that mystery 1331 00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,680 it's just about kind of accepting and 1332 00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:31,200 floating in it 1333 00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,520 um 1334 00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:34,440 which has been a yeah something I've 1335 00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:37,500 been grappling with for a long time but 1336 00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:40,680 I'm getting somewhere ancient names I 1337 00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,119 mean you had told us you read a lot of 1338 00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:44,280 Mythology you select that stuff it's 1339 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,540 clearly you got you've got some 1340 00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:47,040 influence there and you're going way 1341 00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:48,780 back that was a cool theme there and it 1342 00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:51,780 rocks too yeah it rocks yeah thanks yeah 1343 00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:54,359 that was uh 1344 00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:56,099 inspired by what literally by walking 1345 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,780 around in Chinatown and seeing the um 1346 00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,520 all the psychic 1347 00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,920 parlors there and thinking about where 1348 00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:03,960 that could go I know do you have any of 1349 00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,140 those experiences like a premonition a 1350 00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:09,240 precognition uh synchronicity stuff does 1351 00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:10,619 that plan at all to your Human 1352 00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:13,500 Experience like not so much personally 1353 00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:16,500 it's one of those things where 1354 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,780 I'm really interested in that and like I 1355 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,520 kind of envy people who have had those 1356 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,260 types of experiences and I know a lot of 1357 00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,760 musicians who 1358 00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:25,680 it's a very common thing among musicians 1359 00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,660 to have had some sort of 1360 00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:29,339 paranormal 1361 00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,560 encounter that or that they believe is a 1362 00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:33,119 paranormal encounter like ghosts are 1363 00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:34,980 very common among my musician friends 1364 00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:36,420 you know that they've all had some 1365 00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:38,040 something 1366 00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,900 and I can't say that I honestly ever 1367 00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,540 have and I can't say that that any of 1368 00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,440 that 1369 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,079 aligns with what I think to be true 1370 00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:48,780 honestly scientifically but 1371 00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:51,300 it fascinates me to a degree that I 1372 00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:52,440 would love 1373 00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,260 to have experience like that and 1374 00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:58,020 to be able to question what I believe to 1375 00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,040 be true 1376 00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:00,960 same about UFOs 1377 00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:03,780 life out there you're not you don't have 1378 00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,900 a foot in one camp or the other well not 1379 00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:08,940 particularly although just thinking 1380 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,700 about it in terms of 1381 00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,520 probability and what we know about the 1382 00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,980 Universe I mean it seems like it's very 1383 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,040 pretty unlikely that we're the only 1384 00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:21,780 beating Hearts uh 1385 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:23,339 but 1386 00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:25,800 I don't know I gotta see something I 1387 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,859 would love to yeah I lied so in my 1388 00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,960 listing mental listening of your songs 1389 00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:33,180 that that's in a category by itself that 1390 00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:34,740 is just that's beautiful I remember 1391 00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,740 hearing the debut on on television it 1392 00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,960 was a was it Kimmel or a Tonight Show or 1393 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,220 yeah 1394 00:51:48,070 --> 00:51:43,740 was I think it was either camel or 1395 00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:15,670 [Music] 1396 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:21,300 but it never told you I could never love 1397 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:23,210 somebody 1398 00:53:00,730 --> 00:52:46,619 [Music] 1399 00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:00,740 thank you 1400 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:11,809 I told you I'd be coming back again for 1401 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:16,480 you but I'm not going away 1402 00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:27,829 [Music] 1403 00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:32,700 I told you I could never leave you all 1404 00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:45,340 [Music] 1405 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:48,030 [Applause] 1406 00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:58,020 [Music] 1407 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,370 foreign 1408 00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:21,470 [Music] 1409 00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:34,230 [Laughter] 1410 00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:42,440 [Music] 1411 00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:02,230 oh 1412 00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:24,890 my life 1413 00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:27,230 and so another season comes to an end 1414 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,160 here Whispering Pines 1415 00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,880 dang it's been a humdinger 1416 00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:34,980 the boys are clearing out they're 1417 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,660 heading out for the open road with their 1418 00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,880 new album intro 1419 00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:40,980 I'm happy for him of course 1420 00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:42,740 but I'll sure miss having them around 1421 00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:45,660 hearing all their racket 1422 00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:48,359 I've been doing some thinking myself and 1423 00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:52,380 maybe it's time I was moving on to 1424 00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:55,740 can you hold on to the Past forever 1425 00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,870 it's been delightful folks 1426 00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,140 so long 1427 00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,079 good luck goodbye 1428 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:09,359 until next time 1429 00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:12,610 may you live until you die 1430 00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:44,870 [Music] 1431 00:57:01,020 --> 00:56:47,580 foreign 1432 00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:33,410 [Music] 1433 00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:35,150 thank you how'd you pick Allison for 1434 00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:36,059 that 1435 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:36,839 um 1436 00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:38,940 we were looking for someone a female 1437 00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:42,300 singer to sing that other part and 1438 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:46,319 had a lot of ideas floating around but 1439 00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:47,160 um 1440 00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,280 my friend Jen who 1441 00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:52,859 who does our publishing 1442 00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,559 uh suggested Allison she just said you 1443 00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,180 know this is a 1444 00:58:01,069 --> 00:57:59,040 hear me out because she she hasn't put 1445 00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:01,079 anything out yet but I want you to hear 1446 00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:02,819 her sing and I think she's really 1447 00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:03,960 talented I think she's got the right 1448 00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,200 voice for this song and yeah met with 1449 00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:09,300 her and I had to give it a try and I 1450 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,980 thought her voice was perfect for it you 1451 00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:12,540 know oh she's a Donnie and Midge were 1452 00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,300 born yeah right there yeah she's got an 1453 00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,559 extraordinary presence that's one of the 1454 00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,480 first things that he you know kind of 1455 00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:21,119 showed me and that that feeling of 1456 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,359 having this uh this duet and having this 1457 00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,160 you know female voice and kind of 1458 00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,319 presence come in it was it was just such 1459 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:30,480 a cool um and we're talking about that a 1460 00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:31,980 little bit yesterday you know what is 1461 00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,380 that when you're inserting kind of this 1462 00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,960 uh this different voice into that how 1463 00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,760 does that feel like yeah I was writing 1464 00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,040 starting to write that song and I just 1465 00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:42,720 lately in general I've really been 1466 00:58:47,089 --> 00:58:45,540 interested in writing for a female voice 1467 00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:47,099 because I think 1468 00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:49,020 for one thing they can do different 1469 00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:52,140 things musically but also 1470 00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:53,880 just a different perspective than my own 1471 00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:55,260 and um 1472 00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:56,579 I really wanted to write a song where 1473 00:59:00,109 --> 00:58:57,660 you could hear both sides of 1474 00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,119 relationship and maybe a surprising way 1475 00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:01,680 and I think the only way to really do 1476 00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,480 that was to have the other person come 1477 00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:05,280 in and tell their side of the story you 1478 00:59:07,849 --> 00:59:06,780 know so 1479 00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,859 um 1480 00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,799 yeah I wanted it to to kind of evoke 1481 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,260 those old country duets without being 1482 00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:15,900 stylistically the exact same 1483 00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,920 um 1484 00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,960 so yeah her voice has like a little 1485 00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:21,599 twang you know she's from Texas yeah and 1486 00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:22,920 um 1487 00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:25,140 and she's a beautiful singer and yeah it 1488 00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:26,760 just it worked out well that song's a 1489 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:28,619 heartbreak relax here in your beer or 1490 00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:30,900 old school it's here in the beer and I 1491 00:59:36,289 --> 00:59:33,059 mean do you get airplay on country 1492 00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,299 stations on Sirius XM it seems like a 1493 00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,640 lot of it would be a good fit there yeah 1494 00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,280 that not that I know of I know we have 1495 00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,200 fans in the country world you know I've 1496 00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:45,359 had people reach out to me and say you 1497 00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:47,160 know Kenny Chesney covered ends of the 1498 00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:49,980 Earth oh which is kind of a surprising 1499 00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:53,099 thing but um yeah I know we have 1500 00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:56,040 fans and I've I've started writing 1501 00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,480 trying to write with other people and 1502 01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:59,700 I've written with some country folks and 1503 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,500 um is there somebody you really want to 1504 01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:03,480 work with that you haven't just somebody 1505 01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:06,180 you'd love to I'm not not particularly 1506 01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,859 I'm honestly trying to figure out if I 1507 01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,799 if I'm any good at it yeah no for real 1508 01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:12,720 like some people have a skill where they 1509 01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:13,980 can 1510 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,740 tap into that other people's uh 1511 01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,200 intentions and I'm I'm still learning if 1512 01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:20,640 I can do that the right way because I 1513 01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:22,859 think it's crucial to have a certain 1514 01:00:27,309 --> 01:00:25,500 type of empathy as a as a co-songwriter 1515 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:27,319 you know where you can really like 1516 01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:29,460 understand what someone's trying to say 1517 01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,619 and help them say it but even having 1518 01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:33,660 somebody sing one of your songs like you 1519 01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,579 you really seem to embrace 1520 01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:37,079 um technology another thing where he got 1521 01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,579 me he's like check out what Ben just 1522 01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:40,319 dropped and it's this thing where you 1523 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,559 can watch a video and you scroll and it 1524 01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:45,540 shows you two different perspectives the 1525 01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:47,339 female singing in French right so you're 1526 01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:48,900 having somebody else kind of portray 1527 01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:52,140 your music right so I'd like to know 1528 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,700 more a little bit how that happened that 1529 01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,880 idea of like we had a much or a little 1530 01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:58,319 deeper conversation about yesterday that 1531 01:01:02,210 --> 01:01:00,119 you Embrace these new technologies 1532 01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,220 definitely and this is not even on an 1533 01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:03,839 album it just comes out of nowhere oh 1534 01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,059 really one day what the hell is this it 1535 01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:08,160 just appears yeah the song is called 1536 01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,900 your other life we'd recorded it for 1537 01:01:15,049 --> 01:01:12,359 long lost our last album but it just 1538 01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:15,059 kind of didn't find a place in the flow 1539 01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:16,980 of the record not because I mean it's 1540 01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:18,420 honestly one of the one of my favorite 1541 01:01:22,910 --> 01:01:20,579 songs we recorded but just didn't seem 1542 01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:22,920 to fit in the uh album and you know it's 1543 01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,140 always good to save a couple b-sides in 1544 01:01:29,329 --> 01:01:27,780 the back pocket for follow-up 1545 01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,339 um so yeah we had this song and we're 1546 01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:31,680 kind of like what's the special way we 1547 01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:34,020 can put this out 1548 01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,640 and again that was the kind of song 1549 01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:37,140 where I thought two perspectives would 1550 01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:38,520 be really interesting to hear because 1551 01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:41,700 it's sort of a song about betrayal 1552 01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,780 um 1553 01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:44,880 but you know it's never as simple as 1554 01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:47,700 that I don't think in a relationship so 1555 01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,859 we wanted to tell it from the female 1556 01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,020 perspective as well and why not do it in 1557 01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:54,839 French but you could so technically 1558 01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:56,280 though you you know he shows me this 1559 01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,260 video and you could pull this cursor and 1560 01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:59,760 it would completely change the 1561 01:02:03,770 --> 01:02:01,980 perspective right yeah so we shot two 1562 01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,780 videos basically with this director Adam 1563 01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,119 Willis good friend of ours and it's 1564 01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,220 basically the same story unfolding from 1565 01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,319 their two perspectives and it's it's 1566 01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,720 very subtly different but you get the 1567 01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,760 set you get a sense that they these two 1568 01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:16,559 people viewed this situation in a very 1569 01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:18,059 different way 1570 01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:18,720 um 1571 01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,059 so yeah you can we had this guy Lee 1572 01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:24,240 Martin build this really cool player 1573 01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,980 which I I guess it hadn't really been 1574 01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:27,900 done before surprisingly but he found a 1575 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,960 way to make it and um you can just take 1576 01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:33,119 a little scroll and if you want them to 1577 01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,500 be overlaid where you can see them both 1578 01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:36,180 a little bit that you can do that or you 1579 01:02:39,069 --> 01:02:37,559 can go all the way to one side or all 1580 01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,079 the way to the other in the audio 1581 01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,000 crossfades as well so um yeah it was 1582 01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:44,400 really nicely executed by those guys so 1583 01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,140 people haven't seen it it's shot in this 1584 01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:49,200 bar this dark bar that looks like 50 1585 01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:51,299 bars I've spent way too much time in in 1586 01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:53,640 my life and I was a little bit dangerous 1587 01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:56,700 in there right yeah yeah it's got a 1588 01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,200 feeling like uh Anything Could Happen 1589 01:03:01,730 --> 01:03:00,000 yeah which are my favorite types of 1590 01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,740 places to go yeah where you don't really 1591 01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,839 know I mean that's what the valley is 1592 01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:05,220 good for as far as you don't feel 1593 01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:07,160 completely comfortable it's a good thing 1594 01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,020 exactly the night could go anywhere and 1595 01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,940 you could end up anywhere 1596 01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,740 um the business side of it you know 1597 01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:16,380 you're not uh Taylor Swift selling out a 1598 01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:17,819 giant Stadium 1599 01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,799 you want a big audience you have a 1600 01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:22,079 growing audience you've got Legions of 1601 01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,880 loyal fans 1602 01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,920 um how do you how do you make it go I 1603 01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:28,260 mean uh you guys have a certain amount 1604 01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:31,380 of Independence but covet hit and then 1605 01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:33,960 streaming I just think of streaming is a 1606 01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,099 great thing 1607 01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,200 it exposes people to a lot of different 1608 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,660 kind of music but for artists uh just 1609 01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,280 can it seems to screw over creative 1610 01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,680 people and that you get so little yeah 1611 01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:45,480 of your own music it's definitely 1612 01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,640 evolving it's hard to it's hard to 1613 01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,200 figure out exactly where everything's 1614 01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,119 headed but 1615 01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:53,520 we've got an advantage in that 1616 01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,220 we're very Hands-On with what we do so 1617 01:03:59,450 --> 01:03:58,079 you know we've we've always been in 1618 01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,460 control of how we how we run the 1619 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:02,160 business and you know we're not in any 1620 01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,500 deep debt to a label or anything and and 1621 01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:06,720 that's I'm really thankful for that 1622 01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:07,559 um 1623 01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:09,540 but you know it's just been grinding on 1624 01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:12,059 the road you know from from the early 1625 01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,680 days we've just been hitting the road 1626 01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:15,960 and trying to get as many fans as we can 1627 01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:17,460 and spending as much time out there as 1628 01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:20,220 we can connecting with people and then 1629 01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,900 you know radio 1630 01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:24,079 is kind of a 1631 01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:28,140 mystery these days so uh placements in 1632 01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,900 TV and and movies has been like our 1633 01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:32,640 radio that's how we've reached a lot of 1634 01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:34,619 people I think uh and that's what I was 1635 01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:36,180 saying we've been kind of 1636 01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:38,220 pretty liberal about allowing that you 1637 01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,260 know I think it used to be kind of 1638 01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,960 taboo or look down upon for artists to 1639 01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:45,059 license their music but these days it's 1640 01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:46,260 just kind of like 1641 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:48,839 it's what you have to do yeah it fits a 1642 01:04:53,329 --> 01:04:50,940 story it's a good fit yeah that's what I 1643 01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:53,339 think if it can help someone else 1644 01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:55,140 fulfill their Creative Vision I'm more 1645 01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:58,020 than happy to uh to uh get some money 1646 01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:00,059 out of it we got to hear the debut of a 1647 01:05:03,289 --> 01:05:01,500 song Yesterday we're not going to say 1648 01:05:07,549 --> 01:05:03,299 much about it we wanted to record that 1649 01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:07,559 so much oh my God this is so good movie 1650 01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:09,180 Project coming up yeah can you talk 1651 01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:10,859 about it or is it uh yeah it's I mean 1652 01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,900 it's coming out probably be out by the 1653 01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:14,400 time this uh 1654 01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,859 this podcast is out it's it's called the 1655 01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:18,000 Starling girl 1656 01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:21,240 uh it comes out I think in wide release 1657 01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:23,940 on the 19th of May 1658 01:05:28,370 --> 01:05:26,339 um it's a really beautiful movie by a 1659 01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:28,380 director named Laurel parmett 1660 01:05:32,089 --> 01:05:30,359 uh who approached me a couple years ago 1661 01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:32,099 about doing the score and then covet 1662 01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:33,540 happened and I thought the project was 1663 01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,859 going away but 1664 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,440 it came back and I feel really glad that 1665 01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,660 I got to work on it there's an original 1666 01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,819 song and then also a score you do the 1667 01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:44,040 score for the whole movie yeah 1668 01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,359 um that's a whole new channel most of it 1669 01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:47,640 anyway there's a couple of other pieces 1670 01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:49,500 of music in it but it's mostly stuff I 1671 01:05:54,349 --> 01:05:51,240 did yeah it was it was a whole new 1672 01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,359 challenge definitely challenging uh 1673 01:05:59,030 --> 01:05:56,579 but cool I really liked 1674 01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,040 again trying to get inside her head with 1675 01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,619 what she's trying to say and and just do 1676 01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:03,780 whatever I could to help communicate 1677 01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,099 that 1678 01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:07,680 was really really interesting I got him 1679 01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:10,260 real good yesterday because um so a 1680 01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:11,400 couple things I get to tease George 1681 01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:13,740 about is like you know he is the music 1682 01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:15,960 guy he's teaching me everything and in 1683 01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:17,940 my town Pioneer Town California this 1684 01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,619 place called Papi and Harriet's which I 1685 01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:21,839 now know you're familiar with so he 1686 01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,359 missed it when when Paul McCartney came 1687 01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:26,700 through there kind of like a on a on a 1688 01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,920 secret uh performance he didn't believe 1689 01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:30,240 me I said he's going to come through 1690 01:06:35,210 --> 01:06:31,859 trust me he's going to come through so 1691 01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,220 he has always hated that I was there who 1692 01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:36,480 could you know I can't appreciate it 1693 01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:38,280 like him and I watched it and I gotta 1694 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:41,099 just say it was so great yeah it was as 1695 01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:43,260 a scab Jeremy pulls off every once a 1696 01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:44,579 year there I am it's like Close 1697 01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:46,140 Encounters you know we're sitting on 1698 01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:47,880 tailgating and there's Paul McCartney 10 1699 01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:49,020 feet away you would have loved it George 1700 01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:51,720 but then I saw him got he got 1701 01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:53,460 desperately upset at two because we 1702 01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:55,500 found out you actually opened one of 1703 01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:56,940 your tours by going to Papi and 1704 01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,380 harrietson playing there yeah we did 1705 01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,960 yeah did you like that oh yeah it was 1706 01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:03,119 great I mean I had seen shows there just 1707 01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:05,400 as a fan and you know I like hanging out 1708 01:07:08,690 --> 01:07:07,260 in that part of the world dude it's cool 1709 01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:08,700 out there yeah 1710 01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:10,619 um but yeah we got so we got to start at 1711 01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,660 tour there once and it was a hell of a 1712 01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:13,920 party are you doing it again are you 1713 01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:15,480 going to go back to Pappy's I hope so I 1714 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,400 know we've talked about it and I don't 1715 01:07:20,089 --> 01:07:18,720 see why we wouldn't it was kind of the 1716 01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,099 perfect setting you know the stars were 1717 01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,799 out we played out back and um 1718 01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,140 it was a perfect temperature you know it 1719 01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:26,640 was just a beautiful night everybody was 1720 01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,780 having a good time I'm gonna have to 1721 01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,640 look up the date and see what the hell I 1722 01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:31,680 was doing there it has to be something 1723 01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,180 really good for me not to have been 1724 01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:35,039 there I wonder it was pretty early in 1725 01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:36,180 our career I wonder if it was maybe 1726 01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:37,859 before you even knew who we were I don't 1727 01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:39,960 know how long you've before a lonesome 1728 01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:42,420 dream uh it was probably right after 1729 01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:45,480 that I gotta look it up as long African 1730 01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:47,339 Pioneer town I'll make sure that we get 1731 01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:48,780 Ben back there that you're actually 1732 01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:51,059 there we'll show him the show him the 1733 01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:52,740 mystery of pioneer Town yeah something 1734 01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:55,980 great that sounds great so you got a 1735 01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,960 tour coming it's not in support of an 1736 01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,760 album I mean it is supported about an 1737 01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:02,099 album because you know um long loss is 1738 01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,299 still out there but I mean you don't 1739 01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:05,280 have a new one coming with this tour but 1740 01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:06,539 is it is this tour a little bit 1741 01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:08,220 different you're trying to space it out 1742 01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:10,200 yeah uh 1743 01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:11,940 it's kind of you know it's what you call 1744 01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,980 off cycle touring so we're not yeah not 1745 01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,900 specifically promoting any album but 1746 01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:17,520 it's kind of nice because we get to look 1747 01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:19,620 at it more of a as a retrospective you 1748 01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,940 know we can kind of play some older 1749 01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:22,140 stuff 1750 01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:22,980 um 1751 01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,040 give fans kind of songs from throughout 1752 01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:28,799 our career which is really fun for us 1753 01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,040 um but yeah since there's new additions 1754 01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:35,040 to the families in the band uh babies 1755 01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:37,259 have come along in recent years not me 1756 01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:38,640 personally but 1757 01:08:41,809 --> 01:08:40,259 uh it's kind of changing The Way We Tour 1758 01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,819 you know people want to be at home more 1759 01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,640 so our runs are a little shorter I'm 1760 01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:46,319 gonna try it out this year see what it's 1761 01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,540 like take a break in between experts and 1762 01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:51,000 let people go home and see the fam which 1763 01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:52,259 is cool with me too you know I don't 1764 01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:54,120 mind coming home and seeing my cats and 1765 01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:56,279 my wife so it could be a grind I mean 1766 01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:57,779 that wears you down if you're out on the 1767 01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,339 road for six months I would imagine it 1768 01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:02,000 can I mean it's incredibly exhilarating 1769 01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:06,060 sometimes and other times it's really 1770 01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:09,060 hard have you had a like a you know 1771 01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,560 everybody loves Redemption story have 1772 01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:12,719 you had like a really hard moment on the 1773 01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:15,000 road that just kind of crushed you man 1774 01:09:19,809 --> 01:09:16,679 something that happened that changed 1775 01:09:23,090 --> 01:09:19,819 yeah last tour this is an easy one okay 1776 01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,100 uh this was the first tour back from 1777 01:09:28,849 --> 01:09:25,199 covid so everybody's kind of real high 1778 01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,859 alert about getting sick I got sick 1779 01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,440 not with covid according to nine home 1780 01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:33,600 tests and two PCR tests 1781 01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,219 but there's something else going on at 1782 01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,719 the same time that 1783 01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,359 people are losing their voices and it 1784 01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:41,040 happened I lost my voice in the middle 1785 01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,900 of a tour not only in the middle of a 1786 01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,359 tour but the the day we the day we were 1787 01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:47,040 going to play Red Rocks we do two nights 1788 01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:50,040 at Red Rocks which is you know it's the 1789 01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,540 legendary venue 1790 01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:54,239 one of our biggest audiences I think if 1791 01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:57,239 it's 10 000 people or something 1792 01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:58,860 and not only that but it's become kind 1793 01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:02,280 of like a pilgrimage for a fan club and 1794 01:10:05,689 --> 01:10:04,440 for our families I'll come and see those 1795 01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,699 shows you feel like you're letting 1796 01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,199 people down there's nothing you can do 1797 01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,840 not just yeah not just the band but the 1798 01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:11,040 you know 1799 01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:12,360 fans 1800 01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:15,000 the uh the crew just kind of everybody 1801 01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:16,980 you know 1802 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,540 but um 1803 01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,760 did you try to go on I mean we did we 1804 01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,320 played we played both the shows you sang 1805 01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:24,719 I sang as best I could and it was hard 1806 01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:27,900 it was very very hard I mean 1807 01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:28,739 um 1808 01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:30,780 just knowing I couldn't physically do 1809 01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:33,540 what I normally do uh 1810 01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,540 yeah it was it was very The Show Must Go 1811 01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:38,880 The Show Must Go On Showbiz exactly yeah 1812 01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,980 uh there's all kinds of talks about yeah 1813 01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,440 could we could would we cancel the shows 1814 01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,540 could we even do that uh 1815 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,520 could we could Ben not sing as much 1816 01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,400 somehow kind of like how how could we do 1817 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:52,800 that yeah singing every song and I sing 1818 01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,400 a lot uh some of those notes yeah so we 1819 01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:58,620 just Barrel through honestly and it 1820 01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:59,460 became 1821 01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:00,900 it was really hard and really 1822 01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:02,760 nerve-wracking for me 1823 01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:04,500 but it was great that my family was 1824 01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,540 around you know because they were really 1825 01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:08,940 supportive and the guys in the band guys 1826 01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,260 and girls in the band were all really 1827 01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:11,520 supportive 1828 01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,460 and you know then in the end the fans I 1829 01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:17,520 think were kind of Charmed by seeing 1830 01:11:22,729 --> 01:11:21,060 seeing me in that vulnerable state you 1831 01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:22,739 know I think they really supported me 1832 01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:24,060 too and so there's a lot of singing 1833 01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:25,440 along 1834 01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:26,940 um dude that's amazing can you tell them 1835 01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:29,219 what was going on yeah I did I was 1836 01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:31,140 debating whether or not to do that but I 1837 01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:33,000 just felt like 1838 01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:35,640 I wanted them to know to know what I was 1839 01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:37,260 what was happening just in case they 1840 01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:38,280 were like 1841 01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:40,980 that sounds like you know have you 1842 01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,420 played there since that time you 1843 01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,100 couldn't no but we're gonna put we're 1844 01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:45,840 doing two shoes first yeah June first 1845 01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:46,820 all right 1846 01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:49,320 where's the Redemption yeah but you know 1847 01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,460 it would be funny you go there and you'd 1848 01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:52,020 be like last time I couldn't so I'm 1849 01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:53,820 gonna sing but I loved hearing you I 1850 01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:56,340 mean you let you know no I know 1851 01:12:00,169 --> 01:11:58,440 again like it ended up being a really 1852 01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:00,179 positive experience in some ways just 1853 01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,260 because 1854 01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:03,719 made me realize how supportive everybody 1855 01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,360 is and like you know they were still 1856 01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:07,739 there for it even though I couldn't 1857 01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:09,739 quite perform the way I normally do so 1858 01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:13,560 June 1st George yeah before then okay 1859 01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:22,610 were you out having fun at some epic 1860 01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:24,540 concert without me 1861 01:12:32,490 --> 01:12:27,600 I can neither confirm nor deny that I 1862 01:13:15,310 --> 01:12:49,690 [Music] 1863 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:21,890 all right 1864 01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:24,649 we will put up the list of the of the 1865 01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:36,709 it'll be out right around the time you 1866 01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:39,300 launch that tour and then what about a 1867 01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,480 new album working on it uh 1868 01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,860 got about 1869 01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:45,840 12 Songs written right now that I'm 1870 01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:48,300 starting to record and once we get a 1871 01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,820 break we'll we'll put them down do you 1872 01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:52,560 have the framework the umbrella story 1873 01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:55,140 The mythology around it not quite it's 1874 01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,060 kind of starting to take shape but uh 1875 01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:59,100 I'm still 1876 01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,560 letting it reveal itself I guess so the 1877 01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:04,080 songs come first and then you weave them 1878 01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:05,880 together it depends honestly I don't 1879 01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,739 have never had like a strict process for 1880 01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,500 that it's kind of like 1881 01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:12,960 there's definitely elements of that 1882 01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:14,219 floating around already I just need to 1883 01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:15,780 choose which ones to accentuate or which 1884 01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:17,940 ones to sort of bring to the Forefront 1885 01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,699 if that makes sense 1886 01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,760 um it's fun to go to your your shows and 1887 01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:25,560 see the audience I was never quite sure 1888 01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,659 why with the first one who's going to be 1889 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:29,880 there and there were a lot of people 1890 01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:33,179 with gray hair like mine and a lot of 1891 01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:35,640 moms and dads with little kids we went 1892 01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,800 with Matt Adams my photographer who 1893 01:14:42,490 --> 01:14:39,719 taught his brought his I think 11 year 1894 01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:42,500 old daughter who was over the moon 1895 01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,699 super fast that's pretty cool yeah yeah 1896 01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:46,560 it was nice meeting that I remember that 1897 01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,659 in Vegas yeah she was over the moon 1898 01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,280 about that but we really enjoyed it 1899 01:14:55,870 --> 01:14:52,199 can't wait to see on the road thanks for 1900 01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,970 I'm just glad to see you guys um be able 1901 01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,719 to sit down together and talk because he 1902 01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:02,640 you know he's just taught so many people 1903 01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:05,520 about this and you know I struck a Nerf 1904 01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:07,380 dude it's so cool that you've done that 1905 01:15:10,850 --> 01:15:09,420 I mean yeah he's a fan I've been a fan 1906 01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,860 of yours for a long time too so it's 1907 01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,960 really cool long time listener first 1908 01:15:15,709 --> 01:15:13,760 night 1909 01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:15,719 exactly well you got to come back to 1910 01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,340 Coast to Coast as well bring your band 1911 01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,960 members we would love that we we all 1912 01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,280 remember listening to Coast to Coast 1913 01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,840 driving through the desert on that first 1914 01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:24,000 tour I remember in the loads of dreams 1915 01:15:28,130 --> 01:15:26,219 to her excellent and uh it's a great 1916 01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,140 memory I can't see I can't wait to see 1917 01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:30,420 what you continue deciding to share with 1918 01:15:37,810 --> 01:15:32,040 everybody I really appreciate your art 1919 01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:38,870 thank you 1920 01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:06,380 all right thanks brother 1921 01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:12,669 [Music] 1922 01:16:21,729 --> 01:16:17,330 never have so few have so much to tell 1923 01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,810 weaponized presentation of Jeremy 1924 01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,440 Corbell George Knapp Dark Horse 1925 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,360 entertainment and Cadence 13 Studios 1926 01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:29,520 available now for free on the Odyssey